Sep 292015

Just so we’re clear…


 Posted by at 9:29 pm
  • Rick

    there we go, trying to muddy a simple issue of traditions over the last couple hundred years by digging up stuff from a thousand years ago. 😛

    • Scottlowther

      Actually, not so much a thousand years ago as form 2,500 years ago. But hey, if you claim to want to abide by Biblical principles… this is what you got.

      • Rick

        others, when the hyperbole by their opponents is ignored, point to “tradition” in law as what’s been done as a nation of law and as a distinct geopolitical entity going back a couple hundred years as “tradition”.

      • Peter Hanely

        If you want to point at the Bible, the examples of multiple wives in the Old Testament seem to be examples of a lot of trouble from rivalry between wives. Not everything of recorded of the patriarchs is an example to emulate. The apostle Paul is also clear in directing a husband to love his wife sacrificially, which conflicts with some of those old testament practices.

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  • Skip Neumayer

    One can argue religious stuff endlessly, and I am well aware that you (Scott) are an atheist. I am not an atheist, nor am I am a card carrying bible thumper. I have simply read a ton trying to understand religions and my place. I am not here to debate or flame.

    I can tell you that a Christian scholar, faced with your post about marriage, would tell you that all your quotes are from the Old Testament. which is mostly ancient Jewish stuff, LONG pre-dating Christ. Christ, in the New Testament, had little to say about marriage, mostly deferring to the Old Testament (Torah) style teachings. Jesus was, after all, Jewish. He did say this, however, as quoted by Mathew.

    ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to
    his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two
    but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man
    separate.” (Matthew 19:3-6, ESV)

    It’s often quoted (in one version or another) in most Christian (Protestant) weddings.

    One can make endless fun of Christians and Christianity, but they and the Judeo-Christian values they bring to the dable, as messed up and confusing as they are, are the basis for most of modern Western Civilization.

    • James

      Plus the whole thing about Jesus and the NT is basically the learning and granting of forgiveness.

    • Scottlowther

      > I am well aware that you (Scott) are an atheist.

      I am? Wow. That comes as something of a surprise to me (Scott), who has long-held religious views.

      > all your quotes are from the Old Testament

      Last I checked, that was still considered part of the Bible. Especially considering that that Jebus feller said:

      Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

      > the Judeo-Christian values they bring to the dable, as messed up and
      confusing as they are, are the basis for most of modern Western

      Huh. So, the Romans who built the western world, building on Greek ideas and philosophy, on a substrate of Germanic and Celtic practices, were a bunch of dead-end nobodies? Interesting. The Napoleonic Code was based on Roman law, while English Common Law was, according to Thomas Jefferson:

      For we know that the common law is
      that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their
      settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper
      legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta,
      which terminates the period of the common law, or lex non scripta,
      and commences that of the statute law, or Lex Scripta. This
      settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But
      Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the
      conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken
      place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here,
      then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law
      was in existence, and Christianity no part of it.

      I remain befuddled how Christianity forms the basis of a civilization that existed long before Christianity came on the scene.