Jul 302014
 

So we’ve seen Vlad Putin doing his best to emulate a certain charismatic  community organizer from the 1930’s: by using nonsensical appeals to nationalist-ethnic identity, he has tried to snap up chunks of surrounding nations, with some success.

But now it looks like much of the rest of Europe wants to relive parts of the 1930’s:

Exodus: Why Europe’s Jews Are Fleeing Once Again

Now, here the issue of Europe’s growing anti-semitism is disconnected from Putin’s actions. But a large proportion of the anti-semitism in Europe has arisen from a dumbth-filled growing ideology, a combination religion and political-domination movement. This time, many of the Jews who are packing up and leaving Europe are heading to Israel, which option they mostly didn’t have 80 years ago, rather than coming to the US. But as they leave Europe and take their skills and talents with them Europe will suffer and Israel will benefit as the US did last time. The last time Europe’s driving-out of the Jews led in no small part to the US getting The Bomb. One wonders what Israel might end up with. With luck, it’ll be something that will allow Europe to accomplish with its current crop of anti-semites what the post-war de-nazification programs accomplished. It will be interesting if, in a decade or so,  a certain religion and its symbols are as legal in Europe as Nazism and swastikas are today in Germany…

 Posted by at 9:52 am
  • Michel Van

    The situation in Europe for jews is despair
    in Hungary far right extremist are in Power
    in France far right extremist are rising to power
    while there extreme Muslims start terror attacks on jews
    like that Mehdi Nemmouche who drove
    from Marseille to Brussels to kill people in Jewish museum.
    also Catholically Spain and Italy rise anti-Semitism again
    also slowly in Germany
    but those cases expect Hungary
    Are result how israel deal with Palestine.

    Hungary is special case
    Were is Leader talk to restore former Hungarian Empire
    and blame the Jews again for problems in this a fascist state.
    it matter of time that Hungary start same problem like Ukraine

    • Anonymous

      > Are result how israel deal with Palestine.

      The usual excuse. But the problem is that the real issue is that Israel abuses Palestine by simply existing. Israel has been leaving Gaza alone for years, and yet the Gazans plead oppression while they shoot thousands of rockets into Israel.

      • Joe

        Israel abuses Palestinians by stealing Palestinian land, destroying Palestinian crops and colonising Palestinian territory

        http://topicstock.pantip.com/religious/topicstock/2012/09/Y12702107/Y12702107-26.jpg

        • Brianna Aubin

          Yes, it is Israel’s fault that, when they declared independence, they were invaded by about 6 arab nations at once. All Israel’s fault that they won that war, the 67 war, and the 73 war (which they also didn’t start) and the territory that came with it. Because there should never, ever be a penalty for losing a war you have started.

          • gormanao

            And don’t forget the Palestinian “refugees” voluntarily abandoned their homes to clear the way for mighty Arab armies to push the Jews into the sea. That didn’t quite turn out as expected, and their Arab neighbors kept them in the camps- they didn’t want to actually let them into their countries. And Palestinian behavior being what it’s been for the past almost 70 years, I really can’t blame them or have much sympathy.

          • Joe

            “Palestinians” fled the Israelis. Israeli soldiers after each war used to go, door to door in the newly occupied territories and tell the Palestinians that if they didn’t leave immediately, they would be killed. So they fled. The Israelis have perpetuated this myth they are always blameless. The reality is somewhat different. No side is blameless in the Mid-East conflict.

          • Anonymous

            You really should read up. Nasser was quite clear that the Arabs in Israel were told to get out… told to get out by the likes of Nasser, to make way for the Arab war machine.

          • Joe

            I am very well aware of the history of Nasser, thank you very much. Do you think the joint Israel/British/French attempt at regime change in 1956 was justified? I don’t. Yet it was only the British and the French who were punished with sanctions, while Israel, who conspired with them and supplied the cassis bellum for their invasion of Suez, went unpunished by the US and was actually rewarded by the massive provision of armaments and economic aid.

          • Herp McDerp

            Israeli soldiers after each war used to go, door to door in the newly
            occupied territories and tell the Palestinians that if they didn’t leave
            immediately, they would be killed.

            Gosh, so I guess the million or so Mohammedans in Israel are all deceased? Are they zombies, perhaps? Israelis seem to be mighty tolerant of zombies, then.

            And how many Jews are living in “Palestine”? How many are free to work, worship, own land, and raise their families?

            The whole problem with Jewish settlements in Gaza and the West Bank is that the Mohammedans would immediately kill the residents if they had the opportunity. The delightful, enlightened people of Fatah and Hamas insist that their territories be Judenrein.

            No side is blameless in the Mid-East conflict.

            Yes, and I’m sure Genghis Khan felt he had legitimate grievances, too.

            Israel won the wars that were intended to by the Arabs to “drive the Israelis into the sea.” And after they won, they gave back to the losers most of the territory that they had lost, including the entire Sinai peninsula in addition to the West Bank and Gaza. All they asked was to be left alone. How did that work out, Yusuf?

            Meanwhile, Mohammedans are still aggrieved that Christians are “occupying” the Iberian Peninsula. They subjugated it for awhile a thousand years ago, so Allah says it belongs to them in perpetuity. And they’re still willing to kill people to get it back.

          • Joe

            Two wrongs do not make a right. The Palestinian Authority, the peak representative body for the Palestinian people has recognised the right of the State of Israel to exist. This has been explicitly stated many times. Israel OTOH has NOT recognised the right of the Palestinians to a homeland yet. Israel has been systematically annexing and colonising Palestinian lands.

            When you talk about Muslims or “Mohammedans” you’re talking about a much larger body of people than I am when I’m talking about Palestinians. Palestinians within Israel are treated as second or third class citizens. They seen a steadily decreasing participation in Israeli elections over the last 30 years as they have become more and more marginalised and discriminated against by the majority Jewish population. They have seen their rights increasingly abrogated, despite all the publicity to the contrary. There have been numerous studies done on their plight.

            Palestinians who fled after Israeli victories and oppression are denied also the right of return to claim their property. Again, it appears this sort of behaviour, is tolerated by the United States when Jews do it yet it speaks out when it happens in other, particularly Muslim lands. Hypocrisy? Most certainly.

          • Herp McDerp

            Joe, why must “Palestine” be Judenrein?

            By the way, a “muslim” is a person who has surrendered and submitted to the One True God. I don’t believe the people we’re talking about have done that.

          • Herp McDerp

            No answer, “Joe”?

            I’ll ask again: Why must “Palestine” be Judenrein?

          • Joe

            Israel was created by UN fiat. Is it any wonder that the Arabs reacted angrily to decisions taken over their heads? How will Americans react when the UN restores Greater Mexico to the Mexicans, I wonder? Or Hawaii to the Hawaiians? Or Alaska to the Russians? Acquiescence or anger?

          • Anonymous

            > How will Americans react when the UN restores Greater Mexico to the Mexicans, I wonder?

            This would likely only occur after a military conquest. Who started the war, and why? In the case of Israel taking *tiny* specks of land, this occured after violence and threats of violence were perpetrated upon Israel. if you have a problem with a military victor taking contested bits of land… take it up with the city of Danzig.

          • Joe

            Who continues the war in the Middle-East by continual provocation to the Palestinians? The continued building of colonies (ie “settlements”) on Palestinian land. The continued harassment of Palestinians by the authorities and the colonists. The building of a “wall” along a boundary outside the recognised borders of Israel. The denial of Palestinian property rights. The list goes on. The Israelis contribute more than their fair share to the tension between the two communities.

          • Anonymous

            > The continued building of colonies (ie “settlements”) on Palestinian land.

            The Israelis pulled out *all* settlements from Gaza what, five or more years ago? You knew this, yet you choose to ignore it while defending the Gazans launching thousands of rockets aimed at Israeli civilians. So you are willing to use lies to support genocide. Guess where that falls in the “how to get banned” spectrum?

          • Joe

            Yet they continued to build colonies on Palestinian land. There are other Palestinian lands than just in Gaza, you realise?

            I don’t defend the Gazans firing rockets at Israel but I understand why they do it. You, OTOH put all the blame on the Gazans, rather than look at those reasons. When the Israelis come at least half-way and pull all their colonies and colonists out of the P.A. lands, then one of the major cassis belli for Hamas and other Palestinians will be removed. Even just stopping building new ones would go a long way but every few months we hear of new Israeli settlements being built. They have to be built somewhere, on someone’s land. No wonder the Palestinians get annoyed.

            In your mind if they protest or even fight back, they should be condemned yet the Israeli provocation goes either unremarked or ignored…

          • Anonymous

            > I don’t defend the Gazans firing rockets at Israel

            Yes, you do. Because Israelis have settlements in the nationless land of the West Bank (it used to be Jordanian turf, but Jordan long ago abandoned it, making it fair game, like an abandoned ship at sea), you think it’s just neato for a completely separate group to lob rockets at Israeli civilians.

            Note how it’s *not* the West Bank former-Jordainians who are launching rockets, but Gazans. Gazans who *got* all the land concessions they could’ve wanted.

            There is a lesson here: never negotiate with terrorists. Give ’em an inch, and they’ll demand to push you into the sea.

          • Herp McDerp

            Israel was created by UN fiat. Is it any wonder that the Arabs reacted angrily to decisions taken over their heads?

            If the Arab nations don’t recognize the authority of the United Nations, then they shouldn’t be members of the United Nations.

        • Anonymous
          • Joe

            So, when Absolut Vodka created this advertisement you were happy?

            http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/blogger2wp/absolutmexicanad.jpg

            The same principle as Zionism, returning the land to it’s previous owners. You should be happy. Greater Mexico for the Mexicans or is it yet another example of American Exceptionalism – a case of, “do as I say, not as I do”?

            The reality is that the Palestinians are a culturally distinct group amongst the Arab world, who rightly or wrongly decided they weren’t going to settle that group far from their homeland. Israel was created without consultation with the people who already live in the region and owned the land on a romantic notion that after a ~2,000 year absence, somehow the Jews still owned Palestine. Israel has steadily expanded and has done so through ethnic cleansing efforts to remove the inhabitants and replaced them with Jews.

            Assorted US Presidents have decreed that they do not support ethnic cleansing or territorial expansion – as long as the perpetrators are not Israeli or Jewish it seems.

            You, on the otherhand appear to believe that resistance by the Palestinians to ethnic cleansing and territorial expansion is somehow wrong. Israel is the ultimate aggressor in the region. As the maps show, it has substantially expanded it’s territory at the expense of the Palestinians. This is wrong, morally and legally. Do you always support illegal and immoral actions – as long as Jews perpetuate them?

            I believe Israel, within it’s 1948 borders, has a right to exist. I do not believe it should do so at the expense of it’s neighbours.

          • Anonymous

            Non sequitur. The two bear no relationship: one shows that claims that the Israelis have been busily conquering arab lands is so much bologna, the other shows the dream of conquest by a bunch of nobodies.

          • Joe

            Not “Arab lands” per se BUT _Palestinian_ lands. The Palestinians were there before modern Israel was established. The Israelis have been slowly but surely ethnically cleansing Palestine since the establishment of Israel. Zionism is a racist belief that the Palestinians’ property rights do not exist. I thought you believed in property rights? Or is that only for Americans?

          • Anonymous

            > The Palestinians were there before modern Israel was established.

            Yes, and their efforts to exterminate the local Jews long precedes the formation of modern Israel.

            > The Israelis have been slowly but surely ethnically cleansing Palestine since the establishment of Israel.

            If so, they’re doing a shitty job of it, given the growing numbers of Israeli Arab Muslims.

            > Zionism is a racist belief that the Palestinians’ property rights do not exist.

            And yet we’re not hearing about the Israeli Arab Muslims having *their* rights trampled. Besides: which “race” are you referring to here?

            http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Ethiopian-Jews-in-Israel.jpg

            > I thought you believed in property rights? Or is that only for Americans?

            When an American breaks the law – tries to kill his neighbor, say – and gets arrested and thrown into prison, that American loses his property rights. So… you’re comparing the whole of the “Palestinian” people to murderers in prison. Or do you think they’re more like rapists? You tell us.

          • Joe

            > Yes, and their efforts to exterminate the local Jews long precedes the formation of modern Israel.

            Does that excuse how modern Israelis act today? I’d be interested in your reasoning.

            > If so, they’re doing a shitty job of it, given the growing numbers of Israeli Arab Muslims.

            Perhaps they are but as we have seen, they have been trying to destroy Palestinian society and culture ever since Israel was established.

            > And yet we’re not hearing about the Israeli Arab Muslims having *their*
            rights trampled.

            Well, actually you do, if you read the media reports on the matter. The way in which Israeli Arabs (whether Muslim or Christian) are treated has resulted them becoming increasingly disinterested in the Israeli political process because they perceive no profit in it. The rate of participation of Israeli Arabs in Israeli elections has fallen dramatically over the last 20 years. Hardly a symptom of thriving interest and participation in Israeli society, now is it?

            > Besides: which “race” are you referring to here?

            An interesting question. It is used in the context of Jews being a separate “race”.

            Perhaps you should be concerned at the racism within Judaism. Fallasha and other African Jews definitely get badly treated by the “White” Jews who originated from Europe…

            > When an American breaks the law – tries to kill his neighbor, say – and gets arrested and thrown into prison, that American loses his property
            rights. So… you’re comparing the whole of the “Palestinian” people to
            murderers in prison. Or do you think they’re more like rapists? You tell
            us.

            I am often surprised at how you apparently deliberately misconstrue comments in order to try and give them a completely different meaning to what they obviously mean.

            So, you obviously believe that all Palestinians have no property rights or that all Palestinians are criminals, merely for being Palestinian? Because that is exactly what you’ve said…

            Are all Israelis criminals merely because they are Jews? Are all Israelis criminals because they elected a government which refuses to negotiate with the Palestinians and keeps building illegal colonies on Palestinian land? I don’t think so. The Israelis responsible, in the Israeli Government are. Some Israelis who participate in these criminal activities are. Not all Jews nor all Israelis.

          • Anonymous

            > Does that excuse how modern Israelis act today?

            Given that the Israelis have been the very models of restraint, and at the same time the Gazans are trying to murder as many Israelis as they can the Israelis are continuing to send food and meds into Gaza, yes, I suppose it does.

            > they have been trying to destroy Palestinian society and culture ever since Israel was established

            Oh? What, you mean by leaving them to rule their own lands and turning over Israeli property to them? Horrific.

            > Hardly a symptom of thriving interest and participation in Israeli society, now is it?

            Someone chooses not to vote, that’s on them.

            > It is used in the context of Jews being a separate “race”.

            Yes, we all recognize that you are terribly interesting in perceiving the Jews as a separate and lesser race. Probably got some laws you’d like to produce on that matter.

            > you obviously believe that all Palestinians have no property rights

            Same property rights as anyone else. Rights that they throw away every time they start another one of their dumbass wars with the Israelis. The German citizenry had property rights, but that sure as hell didn’t stop Bomber Command from flattening their homes for ’em. And in this case, the Gazans are a hell of a lot closer to their leaders than the Germans were. If the Gazans want a better future, it’s really pretty simple: they need to drag every last jihadist and Hamas official to the gallows.

            Something like 1500 Gazans have died since they started the most recent round of fighting. If the Gazans had executed 1500 Hamas and jihadis instead, they could be staring down the barrel of peace and prosperity rather than Israeli counter-battery fire.

            > Are all Israelis criminals because they elected a government which
            refuses to negotiate with the Palestinians and keeps building illegal
            colonies on Palestinian land?

            Are you a crazy person or a liar? Hard to tell. At this point, hard to care.

          • Herp McDerp

            Joe, why isn’t that big green area marked “PROPERTY OF SPAIN”?

            The Absolut Vodka marketing campaign was intended to be noticed, and to do that they tried to be outrageous. What would you say about a map of Europe labelled with a big swastika and marked “Größeres Deutschland”?

          • Anonymous
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          • Herp McDerp

            Hah! I hadn’t seen that!