Apr 302012
 

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SEALs slam Obama for using them as ‘ammunition’ in bid to take credit for bin Laden killing during election campaign

Short form: current and former Navy SEALs are upset that their bravery, sacrifice and effort is being used to prop up Obamas re-election campaign. Some of the quotes are that perfect combination of snark and obviousness.

 Posted by at 7:08 pm
  • Arlukiii

    The commander-in-chief of all armed forces who approved and oversaw the operation? Yeah how dare he take any credit… Actually, it shows extreme largess (or political correctness and caution) if he does not replace the seals who are complaining. Publicly complaining about the president is a violation of their duties as American soldiers. There is good precedent for people getting canned for this… There is reason to doubt that others were trying quite so hard to get Bin Laden. Specifically president Bush who had 7 years and made zero progress. So no, not every president would have gotten the job done. Only a president who was aggressive about hunting him down. McCain certainly could have.

    • Anonymous

      > The commander-in-chief of all armed forces who approved and oversaw the operation?

      Approved? Sure. One of the easiest slam-dunk decisions in recent political history. Oversaw? In what way did he oversee the operation?

      > replace the seals who are complaining.

      Sure, because the President has the power to punish retired military personnel.

      > Bush who had 7 years and made zero progress.

      Uh-huh… so, when Obama bitches about all the problems he “inherited” and has so far failed to tackle, he somehow managed to completely replace all the military/intelligence infrastructure that Bush was responsible for in Afghanistan/Pakistan. Gotcha.

      Tell me; when informed that OBL had been found, which President or likely Presidential candidate of the last *century* would have said “Nahhhh…??” You seem to think Bush would not. And yet, he took a far greater political risk in ordering the military into Iraq.

      • Arlukiii

        “One of the easiest slam-dunk decisions in recent political history. Oversaw? In what way did he oversee the operation?”

        He was literally sitting in a room during the operation with certain other top level officials who directly control the armed forces. Did he do the shooting? No. But he signed off on this mission when others around him, including the vice president, didn’t want to. The intel was far from a slam dunk. (Though not as far as the last slam dunk, the WMD in Iraq.) Others wanted to test the DNA of sewage from the compound, and wait for better evidence. Obama said go right away. Others would have done the same thing, but some would not. Maybe Bush would have, but he was never in the position to make the call on such an operation, because he was completely focused on Iraq.

        “Tell me; when informed that OBL had been found, which President or likely Presidential candidate of the last *century* would have said “Nahhhh…??” You seem to think Bush would not. And yet, he took a far greater political risk in ordering the military into Iraq.”

        Actually the VP said no, and Obama said yes despite that advice. Bush may have said yes but he never had the chance because he never was seriously hunting Bin Laden.

        “I truly am not that concerned about him.” Bush 2006. (Deep into the Iraq war that Obama had nothing to do with ending.)

        • Anonymous

          > Actually the VP said no, and Obama said yes despite that advice.

          Wow. So, Joe Biden, one of the most wrong-spoken and intellectually deficient VP’s in a century said something dumbass and was ignored? Shocking.

          • Arlukiii

            Almost a good deflection, but let me restate in simple words: You said that anyone would have made this call. The fact is, several people including the VP (but not only the VP) had doubts about it. The intel was not perfect, and many would have been tempted to wait a bit longer before sending men in.

            The fact remains that after 7 years, Bush did not try very hard to get the job done. So other presidents may not have gotten this job done either. Only by significantly ramping up the campaign across the border did Obama get the job done.

            Why did Bush not really care about Bin Laden? I suspect he was completely focused on the Iraq disaster. The more cynical possibility, probably giving Bush too much credit as he was not exactly a chess player, is that if Bin Laden were killed, the justification for Iraq would be diminished.

            Either way, I bet Bush was also gun shy after being completely fooled by the people around him on the WMD lies.

          • Anonymous

            > several people including the VP (but not only the VP) had doubts about it.

            So they say. Keep in mind, Biden is a kiss-ass; his sole role is to make Obama look good (a hell of a challenge, admittedly). So by making himself sound like a *complete* moron, he makes the merely mediocre intellect of Obama sparkle in comparison.

          • Arlukiii

            Yes making Obama look good after Bush is a HUGE challenge… That is why he has turned into some kind of liberal rock star. Because of bad public image…

            Biden does whatever he wants to do, such as endorse gay marriage forcing Obama to give his weak half-endorsement also. Doesn’t sound like someone who is trying to make Obama look good above all else.

            But hey, maybe Biden is lying about saying no. Because that is the kind of thing that will never come out in a book a few years later? He certainly lied about the aliens in area 51…

          • Anonymous

            > making Obama look good after Bush is a HUGE challenge…

            It is indeed. Bad as Bush was, Obama is… well, “horrible” is pretty charitable.

    • Murgatroyd

      Specifically president Bush who had 7 years and made zero progress.

      Dang. That is one severe case of rectocranial impaction! Better see a doctor about that.

      • Anonymous

        He does have a point, though. Bush dicked around for 7 years and didn’t get the job done. Just as JFK and LBJ dicked around on Apollo for 8 years and couldn’t get it done… leaving it to that Man Among Men, Richard Nixon, to personally send men to the moon. And FDR couldn’t whip Hitler and Tojo; it took Truman to get that task accomplished.

  • Philo_t

    Seems a mite disingenuous by some “former SEALS”. And IIRC, active duty personnel are supposed to keep neutral and support the commander-in-chief.

    “I truly am not that concerned about him” — Jr, March 13, 2002

    • Anonymous

      > active duty personnel are supposed to keep neutral and support the commander-in-chief.

      “Obama wasn’t in the field, at risk, carrying a gun. As president, at every turn he should be thanking the guys who put their lives on the line to do this. He does so in his official speeches because he speechwriters are smart.

      ‘But the more he tries to take the credit for it, the more the ground operators are saying, “Come on, man!” It really didn’t matter who was president. At the end of the day, they were going to go.’ ”

      Active duty military aren’t suppose to talk smack about the CiC. Where do you see that in the above quote?

      As for the Bush quote:
      “We haven’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don’t know where he is,” Bush said during the 2002 news conference. “I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run.

      “I was concerned about him when he had taken over a country,” Bush continued. “I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became — we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his Al Qaeda killers anymore.”

      In context, the sentiment is rather different… and entirely appropriate.

      Bush wiped out the Al Queda and Taliban command structures and infrastructures early on. OBL was killed a year ago… has that really changed things much? Sure it’s good he’s dead; the world is better off for it. But the bigger issue wasn’t taking out one man, but the whole organization. And *Bush* and his policies laid the ground work and did the heavy lifting. Note that after campaigning as the anti-Bush, Obama really hasn’t changed things any in terms of the WoT.

  • Jordan

    Let’s see… Obama taking credit for this: makes sense when you consider that there are a lot other things he might not want to take the credit for: killing jobs, the failing economy, etc.

    Of course, Pakistan deserves credit for this one for giving us OBL on a silver platter. Credit where credit is due.

  • Murgatroyd

    An excerpt from Tuesday’s Best of the Web Today column in the Wall Street Journal:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304050304577378170718556112.html#printMode

    A Giant Leap for Richard Nixon
    Obama manages to turn the killing of bin Laden into a political liability.
    By JAMES TARANTO

    Imagine if President Nixon had decided to base his 1972 re-election campaign on the boast that he landed on the moon. His predecessors tried and failed for eight years. It wasn’t an easy decision–what if something went wrong? But that’s why you hire a president, to make those gutsy calls. Which path would George McGovern have taken?

    That’s analogous to President Obama’s effort to campaign on the killing of Osama bin Laden. His absurd braggadocio is turning one of the few successes to occur under his leadership into a political liability.

    Last week the Obama campaign released an advertisement featuring Bill Clinton (the president who actually did pass up opportunities to get bin Laden) praising Obama’s leadership and suggesting that Mitt Romney would have let bin Laden go. Nonsense, Romney replied: “Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order,” the New York Times quotes him as saying. (James Fallows, who worked in the Carter White House, grudgingly confirms Romney’s surmise.)

    There’s more … ;^)

  • Panetta is the one on paper as having approved the op. The trail of documentation actually ends there-meaning the whole thing was set up so Panetta would be under the bus if the raid failed. Big O only took credit after the success. Plausible deniability would have been the name of the game. Panetta was in the position to throw himself onto his sword to protect the Boss and all the media pundits in support of O would have toed the party line in the event of failure that O wasn’t responsible. That’s the bottom line.

  • Anonymous

    Bin Laden Been Dead since ~2003 or before.