Jan 282017
 

President Giant Middle Finger has been busy signing executive orders left and right. Friday he signed one banning the importation of refugees and such from a few specific countries: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. The idea, apparently, was to preclude the arrival of Jihadis who want to commit acts of terrorism in the US.

On the one hand, he is enraging the left and causing them to expend substantial effort, energy, time, political capitol and funds in protesting. Every day he signs an executive order that causes the causeheads to rant and rave; this by itself is neither good nor bad, though given how wrong and generally silly the leftist causeheads have been these last few decades I’m generally given to support whatever they oppose. This, of course, is pretty much what led to the Trump Presidency in the first place. Many leftists have taken the opportunity to crank up their hysterical hypobole generators all the way to eleven, such as:

As Trump severed the torch-bearing arm from the Statue of Liberty and the US went dark overnight on Friday…

The US went dark? Trump chopped the arm off the Statue of Liberty? Huh.

However, the refugee ban is problematic for a few reasons.

Firstly, it seems to have been slapped together without a whole lot of thought given to some of the ramifications. Thousands of legal US residents who were out of the country – such as former Iranians who have gone back to Iran to visit family – are now kinda up the creek, unable to board planes back to the US. Worse, it blocks Iraqis who aided the US military – translators and guides and such – from coming to the US. Unlike the vast majority of the “refugees,” those Iraqis who worked for the US are exactly the people we *should* be importing… not only do we want their kind (i.e. people who want to work for our interests), it is *right* to rescue those who have served our cause.

Second, while the nations on the list are understandable, there are some nations mysteriously left off. What about Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? Turkey? These countries crank out the jihadi whackos as fast as the others… and they have a history of actually getting terrorists into the US.  It has been pointed out that Trump has no business dealings in the nations he’s banned… but he has substantial dealings with nations he didn’t. Hmmm.

And on another matter… during the inauguration protests, a limousine was vandalized with spraypaint then set on fire. There were a few layer of irony here. First the limo was spray painted with “We the people.” then set on fire. Which mean the protestors were setting “we the people” on fire. Second… the owner of the limo? Guess what. Muslim immigrant. Way to show your support, folks.

 

 Posted by at 9:51 pm
  • se jones

    Indonesia?

  • fd

    > Thousands of legal US residents who were out of the country …
    > are now kinda up the creek, unable to board planes back to the US.

    According to https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/01/29/department-homeland-security-response-recent-litigation, “the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety”

    That sounds like the government could revoke visas issued to anyone, including those already in the country.

    Regarding his immigration EO, I imagine Trump saying to the looney tune leftists “Pray I don’t alter it any further” because his next step will be to start rounding up and deporting furriners that are already here.

    • se jones

      Yeah, there’s a rare *honest* hispanic “immigrant rights” activist who’s making the rounds on the talking head shows, he’s reminding everyone that it’s a major disservice to the “undocumented immigrant community” for these cities to declare themselves “sanctuary cities”. Like he says “the federal gov agencies have the right to walk into *any* local city, county or state facility and snag any illegal immigrant they want, at ANY TIME.
      These cities are playing a cruel joke on illegals, it’s 99% liberal moral preening by lefties *for* lefties all facilitated by the news media.

      This actually happened a couple of years ago here in Aurora Colorado when ICE agents walked into the city/county of Aurora to grab an illegal murder suspect and all shit broke loose with the Aurora guys sneaking the illegal “out the back” somehow and moving him to an undisclosed location. It turned into a big standoff over some guy who was a major “bad dude” with impressive rap sheet.

  • Herp McDerp

    Firstly, it seems to have been slapped together without a whole lot of thought given to some of the ramifications.

    Not too surprising. I suspect the administration is trying to stay ahead of hostile lawfare.

    Thousands of legal US residents who were out of the country – such as former Iranians who have gone back to Iran to visit family – are now kinda up the creek, unable to board planes back to the US. Worse, it blocks Iraqis who aided the US military – translators and guides and such – from coming to the US.

    It’s ostensibly a short-term ban until vetting procedures more effective than the ones currently in place can be worked out. I would hope that green card residents and Iraquis who have assisted the U.S. would be admitted soon. Still, it’s a screwup that should have been foreseen and prevented.

    Second, while the nations on the list are understandable, there are some nations mysteriously left off. What about Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? Turkey? These countries crank out the jihadi whackos as fast as the others… and they have a history of actually getting terrorists into the US. It has been pointed out that Trump has no business dealings in the nations he’s banned… but he has substantial dealings with nations he didn’t. Hmmm.

    There’s a plausible — and previously reported! — reason for this: see here:

    The order does seek “to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States.” It says that it seeks “Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern.” It also says “I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C.1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of theUnited States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order.” […] Trump didn’t select seven ‘Muslim-majority’
    countries. US President Barack Obama’s administration selected these
    seven Muslim-majority countries.
    The Department of Homeland Security
    targeted these seven countries over the last years as countries of
    concern. In February 2016 “The Department of Homeland Security today announced
    that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program
    Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015
    with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of
    concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who
    have traveled to these countries.” It noted “the three additional
    countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries
    subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain
    individuals.” […] And the media knew this back in May 2016
    when some civil rights groups complained about it.

    In other words, the Trump administration is complying with, and going no further than, policies enacted under the Obama administration.

    • Herp McDerp

      Darn. I wish there were a “preview” function for comments. There should be a “close italics” tag after “Hmmm.”

      • Paul451

        You can re-edit comments after you post them. On your own comments, an “edit” option appears between the up/down vote and “reply”.

  • Polaris1

    The executive order is illegal. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin.

    • Scottlowther

      Please quote the relevant section of the law that says that.

      • publiusr

        Well–a lot of folks are wary of the authority of any executive order…
        I wonder if the rapid fire decisions are there to just keep the press loopy.

      • Polaris1

        The Hart–Celler Act abolished the quota system based on national origins that had been American immigration policy since the 1920s. The new law maintained the per-country limits, but it also created preference visa categories that focused on immigrants’ skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents. The bill set numerical restrictions on visas at 170,000 per year, with a per-country-of-origin quota. However, immediate relatives of U.S. citizens and “special immigrants” had no restrictions.[1].

        Do your own Google search

        • Herp McDerp

          “I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the
          United States of aliens from countries referred to in section
          217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C.1187(a)(12)
          , would be detrimental to the
          interests of theUnited States, and I hereby suspend entry into the
          United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90
          days from the date of this order.”

          Meanwhile…

          The Hart–Celler Act abolished the quota system based on national origins
          that had been American immigration policy since the 1920s. The new law
          maintained the per-country limits
          , but it also created preference visa
          categories that focused on immigrants’ skills and family relationships
          with citizens or U.S. residents. The bill set numerical restrictions on
          visas at 170,000 per year, with a per-country-of-origin quota. However,
          immediate relatives of U.S. citizens and “special immigrants” had no
          restrictions.[1].

          How the frak does that ban “all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin”?

        • Herp McDerp

          Hmmm. It seems to have been legal in 1980!

          Washington Post, April 9, 1980:

          Carter announced Monday he was canceling all visas issued to Iranians
          for entry into the United States and warned that they would be
          revalidated only for “compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or
          where the national interest requires.”

          Jimmy Carter, April 7, 1980:

          Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and
          the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian
          citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We
          will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for
          compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national
          interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted
          very strictly.

          Got any other Think Progress talking points?

        • Scottlowther

          > Do your own Google search

          I did, and found nothing that said that the unwise 1965 law “banned all discrimination against immigrants on the basis of national origin.” What you added doesn’t seem to change that any.

  • Brianna Aubin

    I don’t buy the “these countries were left off the list because Trump has business interests in them” theory. I think they were actually left off the list because the US, for better or worse, has security and defense alliances with the governments of those countries. Turkey is a member of NATO, Egypt has actually been pretty cooperative on security issues (any Arab country willing to work with the Israelis gets points with me), and while I disagree that we should have any relationship with Saudi Arabia (they’re basically ISIS except with international recognition), the fact remains that the relationship exists.

    • se jones

      >any relationship with Saudi Arabia

      Well, the caveat here is Saudi Arabia’s counter to Iran’s power and influence. Many of the current regional shit storms are, to a large extent, proxy wars between the Sunni Saudis and the Shiite Iranians.

      From what I’ve read, there is little doubt that that Saudi Arabia secretly funneled $ billions to A.Q. Khan’s Pakistani nuclear weapons program. The nightmare scenario is; when Iran goes hot with their nuclear weapons, the Saudis will want some of their toys that are “stored” in Pakistan as a counter.

      Despite everything, in an imperfect world, it’s to the our self interest to maintain our friendly relationship with Saudi Arabia.

      There are hopeful signs, since 2005 King Abdullah has invested over $60 billion (1/4 Saudi GNP) in Saudi education and R&D. The King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) is a world-class enclave in the heart of Islam. https://www.kaust.edu.sa/en

      I may be a Pollyanna, but there are powerful men of goodwill in Saudi Arabia and Iran.
      …(I would say men AND WOMEN of goodwill, but the thanks to m^%$$#$ f**&^%$#$# gd a*^%# Obama, Hosni Mubarak and his wife Suzanne Mubarak are history. The First Lady of Egypt Suzanne Mubarak, was the only woman with *real* power and influence in the Middle East, where she worked tirelessly to end female genital mutilation. But somehow, fu*&)#$%$ Obama felt it was better to have the muslim brotherhood running Egypt, and of course American “feminists” could care less about the horror of female genital mutilation, Obama is hip don’t ya know)

  • Herp McDerp

    Aaaaaand the green-card entry ban has been lifted. Further, according to this Fox News and AP report

    Under Trump’s order, it had appeared that an untold number of foreign-born U.S. residents now traveling outside the U.S. could be stuck overseas for at least 90 days even though they held permanent residency “green cards” or other visas. However, an official with the DHS said Saturday night that no green-card holders from the seven countries cited in Trump’s order had been prevented from entering the U.S.

    A commenter at the Althouse lawblog pointed this out:

    As far as the green card thing goes, Trump always overshoots what he wants. It’s part of being a good negotiator. Everyone gets all upset about folks with green cards not being admitted. Trump backs down on that, the non-green card holders get put on a plane and sent back to where they came from, and the left pats itself on the back for “beating Trump”. He laughs because he never intended to deny them re-entry in the first place.

    Sure enough …

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TECWIqsvmHw/WI4t0YlRtlI/AAAAAAAAFk0/xEhfY30loDMMFZHzaPKCZf1Swz3EPRfaQCLcB/s320/green.tiff

    • Rick

      that..might be just *too* clever to be the real motivation?

      • Scottlowther

        The trouble with some of the theories about what’s going on is that “devious scheme” and “result of unthinking arrogance” are equally valid and impossible to discern the difference between at this stage. I don’t know that Trump is a genius, but he’s not an idiot… but he’s also as arrogant as is physically possible.

        Until further evidence comes along, I simply can’t tell.

  • Egor Petrov
  • It appears the countries named in the Executive Order are from a list of “most risky” worked out by the previous Administration. For whatever that’s worth.

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  • Rick

    FFS. all these people who ranted for decades about hating “organized religion” and who’d celebrate a hypothetical blanket ban on imported people from Italy or catholic parts of the world, all somehow forgetting their decades of ranting, and also the simple fact that religion is a CHOICE, not a race.

  • se jones

    Jezzuz fing ch@#^*
    Some Islamic “convert” nut job from Texas just shot and killed a Denver transit cop. Swell. Just swell.

    • Scottlowther

      It’s the converts to crazy that you have to watch out for, more than the refugees from crazy. Even if the refugees don’t completely abandon crazy, they at least have the excuse of having been born into it.